Chen Xiaoyun & Jiang Sida： Being an artist can’t be too fake ｜ Extraordinary Record.

Chen Xiaoyun and Jiang Sida became attached to a reality show. Before they became friends, Chen Xiaoyun was already a "debater" of Jiang Sida. However, Jiang Sida felt Chen Xiaoyun’s truthfulness through the variety clips: "Her truthfulness is higher than many artists I have contacted", and this preconceived goodwill laid a good foundation for the cooperation between the two sides in the program.

As a guest of Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way, Chen Xiaoyun and Jiang Sida talked about their attitudes towards life from their respective controversial experiences. When asked about their views on "truth", both of them thought that it was too tiring to be an artist, and "not to be fake" was the bottom line of being a man.

The two have many similar experiences and attitudes towards life. Debating, doing interviews, being a boss, playing performance art … Jiang Sida, who has multiple identities, often encounters "cyber violence" because he is not understood while enjoying the public attention; Chen Xiaoyun’s controversy, like her role, has caused a "bloody rain". But fortunately, they all learn to have a strong heart to dispel negative comments. Jiang Sida said that he only cared about the real social interaction around him, not the gossip on the Internet, while Chen Xiaoyun benefited from the experience of coming to Beijing to study alone when he was 10 years old, and now he is more frustrated and brave.

When more and more people are smoothed away by trivial and tedious life, Jiang Sida and Chen Xiaoyun are still somewhat free and easy and willful. Perhaps it is not "flattering" to truly present themselves, but this persistence will gradually release nutrients and help them cultivate their own soil in the depths of their souls, nourish themselves and become themselves.

The following is the full text of the dialogue:

Phoenix Network Extraordinary Road: Hello everyone, this is Phoenix Network Extraordinary Road, and today’s guests are Chen Xiaoyun and Jiang Sida.

Jiang Sida:Hello, everyone.

Chen Xiaoyun:Hello, everyone.

Phoenix Network’s Extraordinary Way: We have a rare opportunity today, that is, we can start a chat that is different from usual. You are participating in a reality show at the same time, right?

Jiang Sida:Yes, the second season of Make Life Beautiful.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: What roles are you all here to play in this program, Xiaoyun?

Chen Xiaoyun:I am a member of the "good-looking family" in "Let Life Look Good" and then take part in observing everyone’s life.

Phoenix Network’s Extraordinary Way: Then Jiang Sida, are you an observer?

Jiang Sida:Yes, it is the only male character recorded in the shed, that is, finding several sisters with their own characteristics, and then everyone uses their own lifestyle and then takes it as the subject, which is part of it. The other part is that we get together, then share each other’s lives together, and then see how everyone manages their daily lives. So I am a major participant in this part.

Phoenix Network’s Extraordinary Way: Have you two known each other before?

Jiang Sida:I don’t know.

Chen Xiaoyun:I don’t know.

Jiang Sida:I became attached to this program for the first time.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": So in this program, what kind of impression are we from the beginning?

Chen Xiaoyun:Because I am an ardent fan of "The Story of Qipa", I liked your previous debate very much, and then I was very impressed by the issue "Is the Shibaolian Tyranny?" I didn’t watch it after you left, really.

Jiang Sida:Is it? Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: But when you watched The Story of Qi Pa, did you think he was very powerful? Or is this person inaccessible?

Chen Xiaoyun:I didn’t. I think his heart is very delicate. Because he is very delicate, his views can just impact my heart.

Fenghuang. com’s Extraordinary Way: So what about this contact?

Chen Xiaoyun:I still think he is a real person, and how he behaves in front of the camera is actually such a person in private.

Jiang Sida:Because like many people, I have seen a clip of Xiaoyun on the Internet before, because I have been doing interview programs for some time. When I face a guest, I prefer to see a person with my own eyes. Not because everyone thinks of a person, because there are many processes that we as the audience don’t know and don’t know. From the last issue ("Let Life Look Good"), I think Xiao Yun is very real at first. Compared with many artists and stars I have contacted, her authenticity is actually higher.

Fenghuang. com’s Extraordinary Way: Now that I see that both of you give each other’s evaluations are "true", then "true" actually has another meaning, that is, it will attract more.

Chen Xiaoyun:Controversy.

Phoenix Network’s Extraordinary Way: Controversy. So you two said that in this aspect of your own reality, do you think you have suffered anything?

Chen Xiaoyun:It is people’s incomprehension of you, or people’s comments on you. Because the artist has been exposed to the camera for a long time, whether it is your private life, your film and television works or your work, it is basically difficult for you to say that you hide your true character. I don’t think it’s a bad thing to show our true character in front of the camera. It will make people more relaxed, because the pace and intensity of our work are great. If you are still acting in front of the camera or something, it is unnecessary. It is better to be yourself happily.

Jiang Sida:I only ate the real blessing, I didn’t eat the real loss. At least for me, because of my truth, others can know what kind of person you are. And most of the comments on you are approved, and then it will also bring me some new ways of interacting with others, job opportunities and so on, so I think I only have a real blessing. But no matter what the result I get, I think this is the basic bottom line of being a man, that is, I can’t be fake.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: I think it’s that you have a feeling of constantly exploring the bottom line about the truth, including the reality show we saw you do before. You seem to particularly want to tell me not only my own truth, but also that you should be true to me and show it.

Jiang Sida:I think it’s "otherwise", right? Doing a program for half a day, then asking questions and answering questions, what are you doing? I think you will often ask yourself who you are, what kind of person I am and what I want. If you are always in a state of whitewashing and performing in the middle, how can you give yourself a satisfactory answer, so it is a bottom line.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": But you know star talk shows and variety shows. In fact, many stars still have to give you a perfect dream-level answer.

Jiang Sida:Yes, something more positive.

Phoenix Network’s Extraordinary Way: So in the process of chatting with them, do you think that even people don’t really tell the truth much?

Jiang Sida:This is their concern, and this concern itself is real, so I won’t force people to say that if you don’t give me a satisfactory answer today, I think you are insincere about my interview. Actually, I can’t ask others like this. Therefore, regarding the so-called authenticity, I hope that my own state can influence and impress him, so he is willing to reveal his true feelings to you in a comfortable state, and he is willing to show his true thoughts.

Phoenix. com "Extraordinary Way": But you mean that you have encountered some resistance from stars and this kind of brokerage team?

Jiang Sida:Really very few, much less than I expected, but more willing to cooperate, because I received a lot of news, I would like to ask which artist in our family, can I chat with you for a day and do an interview with you? It means that everyone still recognizes my communication in this respect. They don’t think it’s a conversation that will go through this, but at least it’s a very comfortable conversation.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: So it’s no pressure for you to participate in such a reality show, right?

Chen Xiaoyun:In fact, I seldom participate in reality shows. I used to film most of them.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: But Sister, Sister Who Rides the Wind and Waves, is actually a reality show.

Chen Xiaoyun:Yes, but I actually thought I was going to sing and dance at first. I didn’t expect it to take me away, because my whole attention was on the stage. (In Sister 2, the stage performance and the practice room are mixed.) But I really ignored this part, and there will be voices that people say that I don’t listen to other people’s opinions. Then I will think about it. This is indeed a reality show, not a rap show.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": Because I know that in fact, in the process of recording by my sister, there are some disputes behind us.

Chen Xiaoyun:That’s right. On the day of the dispute, we were recording "Wu Gong" (the fifth performance), so I devoted myself to dancing and singing. I went home to see my parents after recording "Wu Gong", and my mother hugged me and she cried. At that moment, I seemed to think that this might really affect me because it affected my family. But for me, I am very good, because this is a process that artists must go through. Don’t say the first line or the eighteenth line, every artist will meet it. Moreover, I saw this elder sister once that day, and I should suffer the least cyber violence. He meets more first-line artists, because there are many people who like them, and there are certainly many people who don’t like them. So I don’t care about this little thing.

Phoenix Network’s Extraordinary Way: Starr, do you just agree with her? You will actually experience some cyber violence, right?

Jiang Sida:I’m okay. Do I think I am blind and confident? I think I am very popular. The main thing is that I haven’t experienced anything. In this respect, only the lawsuits around me will affect me, and my emotions will affect me, and nothing else will.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": Why do you have emotional influence?

Jiang Sida:Who you like and who you don’t like, because of this kind of thing, it’s all real social interaction around you, not some things on the internet. Whoever loves care cares, I don’t care.

Chen Xiaoyun:Because I have paid attention to you before, including WeChat and WeChat official account.

Jiang Sida:Yes.

Chen Xiaoyun:I feel that you were in a bad mood for a while, and then the contents of his WeChat official account were all negative.

Jiang Sida:Compare down.

Chen Xiaoyun:Right?

Jiang Sida:Do you have a reward? It’s very simple as long as it makes me feel better, because there is a reward word below. You just need to knock 200 yuan, and I will feel good. It’s such a simple thing to make me happy. I’m just anxious about money.

Fenghuang. com’s Extraordinary Way: Actually, in public opinion, you left an impression that I dare, and I dare to do many things. So have you ever had a rather timid moment?

Jiang Sida:More timid?

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: That is to say, I dare not. I’m still that cautious.

Jiang Sida:It’s okay, because I don’t have so many challenges at work now, that is, I don’t face one, for example, this thing is as stressful as a mountain, and I haven’t seen it very much at present. So there will be, for example, when I stand on the stage for the first time to debate, when I stand on the stage for the first time to preside over it, I will be afraid at that time.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": But for you, is there any moment that makes you feel very embarrassed?

Chen Xiaoyun:To tell you the truth, reality shows are putting a lot of pressure on me now, because I always play others in front of the camera, that is, acting. But the so-called role, I must have brought in a part of my true self, and then interpreted that role. But now you let me play myself, and then the audience will have a filter on my role, and then they will not accept me as I really am. I feel a little pressure on this matter. But as Starr said, I can be the truest myself, I can be happy, and I don’t need to pretend.

Phoenix. com "Extraordinary Way": After you participated in the reality show, did you receive any feedback that you are different from what I expected?

Chen Xiaoyun:Often, I can see it. I can see someone saying that Chen Xiaoyun’s powder has turned black. I just want to say that it is a reality show shot, and it is not a complete fragment. It can also be cut, right? It is not a complete me. Is that you come in front of me now, and we’ll talk for another half an hour, then we can have a glass of wine together, which is actually a person of this character. So variety shows, reality shows and acting are all my jobs, but that doesn’t mean that this is the whole me.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: That is to say, people will have all kinds of anxiety, such as identity anxiety, gender dysphoria, age and aesthetic anxiety. So far, have you experienced the so-called age anxiety and appearance anxiety?

Jiang Sida:I don’t have a good appearance, and there will be age anxiety, that is, I am a person who likes to set a flag for myself very much, that is, how old I am, what I want to accomplish, that clock ticks, so when you have a goal, you will take it every day to check whether you are living today, which is a bit harsh, but in fact, it will be a little bit like this, so this anxiety will still exist.

Chen Xiaoyun:I am mainly interested in my work, that is, whether I go to Sister or my film and television works, whether my stage and role (Chen Xiaoyun’s mixed role) will make everyone like it, whether it will make everyone feel the same, and whether they will follow her joys and sorrows. I hope my work can also give the public this feeling. So I have such anxiety.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: There is another kind of anxiety that is particularly funny. That is to say, when we read articles, people who can’t do anything every day have been abandoned by the times, which is called abandoning anxiety. What do you think? Will you feel that I have to learn more things myself, or that I will just do what I have?

Jiang Sida:It means learning new things, but it doesn’t come from abandoning anxiety. It comes from learning a new skill and being happy for yourself, not from who you are afraid of being eliminated. It is obvious that even I am unlikely to be eliminated so soon. Even if you have a few pounds and two ounces of yourself, and you are still clear in your heart, you will not have this anxiety.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: So in fact, I understand that all your answers are based on an inner heart or a strong one. So Xiaoyun, for example, do you have that kind of fragile time?

Chen Xiaoyun:No, because I went to Beijing to study alone when I was 10 years old. I left home, so far away from my parents that I am very strong now. I will never say that if I encounter setbacks, I will not be able to do it. I am the kind of person who is more frustrated and brave. If you say that I can’t do it, I must do it.

Phoenix. com’s "Extraordinary Way": There is another word. It was always said last year that the house collapsed. This star may be in love, may be married, may be that he said something he shouldn’t have said, and then I collapsed. So how should we find a balance between expressing truth and maintaining a public image?

Jiang Sida:I’m not sure what public image means. I don’t know if this thing really exists, or if it’s just something that everyone YY came out with.

My understanding is that it is a very functional thing, that is, it can be strengthened and spread through design and construction. But I don’t have this idea at first, and I don’t have this ability at second. I don’t think I can create a so-called accurate image, and then in my future work, the so-called continuous penetration means that I don’t have this ability, and I don’t have a large team and professional brokerage company to help me think about these things. For example, if you must talk about this on this occasion to strengthen your image, you must dress like this to make people remember or be recognized. I don’t have these, so I basically just do what I want. It doesn’t matter. It’s fine.

Fenghuang. com’s Extraordinary Way: But for example, Xiaoyun will be commented a little more. What do you think of this matter of maintaining the image?

Chen Xiaoyun:I don’t think actors should have some labels and images, because every role is different, just like I used to play stepmother (film and television role stills) when I was very young, but that doesn’t mean I can’t play a girl now. I can be eccentric, I can be gentle, I can also be overbearing, that is, every role, I hope I am vague in the public impression, without a particularly eye-catching concept, so that when I interpret each role, everyone will think that she can still be like this.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": Just now, you also talked about playing stepmother when you were young. So up to now, when an actress takes this role, will she say that sometimes this is an opportunity, and I am willing to compromise for it, or will I still take someone I really like?

Chen Xiaoyun:I don’t think everyone, like what I’m playing now, has ever played a similar role. That is, every character has a great contrast. That is, there will always be an interview with a reporter saying, which role do you like best and which role do I like best? I will always say that my favorite role is my next one.

Jiang Sida:We’re fake. Are we fake?

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: You two really cheated me.

Jiang Sida:Are you in a hurry because you can’t ask?

Jiang Sida:But I think I can be responsible for all my answers. My answers may be rare, but I just know who I am.

Chen Xiaoyun:But in fact, you know the role played, and I will go there after I play it.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: As far as the roles you played in the past are concerned, there is no trace left for yourself, right?

Chen Xiaoyun:No, that is, you are not you, you are the person in the role, and that state is very high. It is hard to describe how wonderful it is, which may be one of the reasons why I like acting very much.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: Now I hear a saying that if an actor wants to develop his career and earn more money, he should not fall in love, saying that unless you can get married and have children quickly, you should attend a reality show. In fact, it refers more to female artists, that is, girls should not fall in love, but should do their careers first?

Chen Xiaoyun:It doesn’t mean not to fall in love. I think it’s a process of not getting married and having children, being pregnant for ten months, then having children, and then recovering. Especially like us now, stars are eliminated quickly. You may play the role of mother or aunt after giving birth to a child, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with such a role.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: Because we also know that you have experienced some emotional changes, so now you are the so-called emotion. Is your view on marriage the same as before?

Chen Xiaoyun:There is no difference.

Phoenix Network’s Extraordinary Way: Is there any new expectation?

Chen Xiaoyun:Looking forward to a sweet love. Because I actually think that emotion is an accumulation for artists or actors, that is, when we express a character, it is actually an emotional output. You don’t have some emotional experience, you can’t do these outputs, and you can’t make the audience feel your emotions. Therefore, love, experience, positive and negative are all rewards for me, which can make me have more and richer levels in the process of interpreting the role.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: Then ask two more questions, that is to say, as a public figure, do you think that when you become popular, it will have an impact on your lifestyle?

Jiang Sida:Yes, there must be.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: How about someone rushing up and grabbing your arm when you walk in the street?

Jiang Sida:Yes.

Chen Xiaoyun:Really? I didn’t.

Jiang Sida:Why not? Of course there will be. Didn’t anyone recognize you on the road?

Chen Xiaoyun:There are also.

Jiang Sida:Right.

Chen Xiaoyun:But it’s what I should do and what I should do.

Jiang Sida:That’s true

Chen Xiaoyun:It’s just that someone suddenly recognized you, but this is normal. Have you changed your life? Have you changed your life for this?

Jiang Sida:Yes, that is, from now on, it will definitely be changed. I’m a junior, and I’m considered a junior. Originally, my freshman and sophomore were recognized within the school, and you were suddenly recognized by people all over the world. Of course, it will be different. Your living environment has changed, your social circle has changed, your consumption level has changed, your own ability, what you can do and the speed of reaching your goal have changed. Which is not a change, it is a change. My mother’s happiness index has improved. How can this not be a change, right?

Chen Xiaoyun:I am, I am, I may be. I have been asking for money at home since I was a junior, and then I worked slowly, earning a little money first, then calling my mother, and then slowly.

Jiang Sida:When did you make a lot of money?

Chen Xiaoyun:I didn’t make a lot of money. I just said that I could improve my family’s situation and then buy a house and a car. But you said it would be good to buy it. I was still telling my dad yesterday that their generation had a particularly stubborn one, that is, a concept of financial management, that is, to save money. How can I correct it? I said that I have enough money for you to spend now, and you should improve your living standards, like this. I try my best to pay, so that I can see my reward. I am so angry.

Phoenix. com’s Extraordinary Way: But I think the happiness of what you buy for parents comes from a close circle around him. Every day, I see him and say that I see your daughter and your son on TV. In fact, their happiness comes more from this.

Jiang Sida:Divide people.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": Really.

Jiang Sida:That’s right, everyone is different, I think. Happiness doesn’t need to be compared.

Chen Xiaoyun:My mother can’t. She won’t even carry a bag for her.

Jiang Sida:Really?

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": There is no need to compare true happiness.

Jiang Sida:Right.

Phoenix. com’s "Extraordinary Way": There is a reality show among the three of us. If we talk about it now, are there any new increases in your views on each other?

Jiang Sida:Yes.

Chen Xiaoyun:Is there?

Jiang Sida:Just talk fast. When we record later, can you speak a little faster?

Chen Xiaoyun:I speak at this speed. Because I am a person who is not good at talking. So why do I like you so much?

Jiang Sida:It’s very lovely that you believe in yourself and let yourself go.

Phoenix Network’s Extraordinary Way: I think she has this foundation.

Jiang Sida:Of course she does.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": Anyway, I also said that I don’t care, and I will dare next time. In fact, there is such a foundation. There is a saying, if you are fragrant.

Jiang Sida:The breeze comes naturally.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": I hope that in this reality show, I can see you two more open and truly show that scene.

Jiang Sida:Sure, thank you.

Chen Xiaoyun:Ok, thank you.

Phoenix Network "Extraordinary Way": Thank you.